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Post by airlanes on 10/3/2016, 6:54 pm

Here is an interesting series from the Cold War '50s: If Freedom Fails.  Each episode weaves a dramatic narrative around the theme of what life would be like in America should Communism prevail.  

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Post by ghemrats on 10/4/2016, 6:47 pm

Nice, Gary. That's a new one for me. Many thanks.
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Post by greybelt on 10/5/2016, 9:08 am

I was in the lucky group that purchased the transcriptions for this AFRS series. They were in pristine condition and included promo "ads" for the various AFRS stations to use. They featured some of radio's best talent.

I mean, gosh, look at some of these stars... some real radio pros...
IFF #01 A Matter of Fact (Gregory Peck, Raymond Burr)
IFF #02 The Ballplayers (James Whitmore)
IFF #03 The Pledge (Jeffrey Silver)
IFF #04 The Heavens Fall (Mark Stevens)
IFF #05 Danse Macabre (Lloyd Nolan)
IFF #06 The Traitor (J Carrol Naish)
IFF #07 The Bishop of Springfield (Thomas Gomez)
IFF #08 Tears for Miss Bishop (Mercedes McCambridge, Raymond Burr)
IFF #09 Suicide By Order (John McIntire)
IFF #10 The Monkey's Cage (Walter Kingsford)
IFF #11 No Escape (Mala Powers, Raymond Burr)
IFF #12 Springfield Revisited (Jay Novello)
IFF #13 Circulation (Jeff Chandler)
IFF #14 Enemy of the People (George Macready)
IFF #15 No Other Way (Mary Anderson)
IFF #16 Sapphire Anniversary (John Dehner, Peggy Webber)
IFF #17 The Lenin Prize (Pat McGeehan)
IFF #18 Trial and Terror (Stanley Waxman)
IFF #19 Delirium (Carlton Young)
IFF #20 Your Loving Son, Mike (Jeffrey Silver, Lou Krugman)
IFF #21 Prescription For Murder (David Brian)
IFF #22 The Man Who Died Twice (Hans Conried)
IFF #23 The Valley of the Shadow (Don Randolph)
IFF #24 Handicap (Sheldon Leonard)
IFF #25 The Toss-Up (Dana Andrews)
IFF #26 The Union Killer (Jack Webb)

If someone can volunteer to post them one by one, I can get them the recordings and the label scans. It would be good to post them with the label, promo, and the recording.

When we saw the discs up for sale we were really surprised. The series is not well-documented and from what we can tell is from around 1951. We don't know if this was the original release since we thought that AFRS was not using microgroove LPs until later.


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Post by Tom-In-Ohio on 10/6/2016, 8:47 pm

These look very interesting and I would love to listen to them. If you are still in the market for a volunteer to post these daily, I can give it a go. - Tom

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Post by greybelt on 10/6/2016, 10:07 pm

That's great T-I-O -- please send me a private message with your regular email address
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Post by greybelt on 10/8/2016, 12:13 pm

Good news! The series will be posted sometime very soon.

We need some help! Can someone in Cobaltia help by posting pictures of the various stars of the series?

Also, there is very little documentation about this series -- other than its name showing up in directories. If anyone can find any background about it, please post it. Newspapers.com has nothing, and Google and Google Books have very little. There are some Congressional testimony that mention the series, but Google Books only has snippets. Perhaps someone has access to these records and can see what's there.

No hits were found in Lantern or in the Billboard archives. To get that talent there had to be something somewhere! Perhaps some Armed Forces newspapers like Stars & Stripes or Army News or others might have an article or a mention?
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Post by Tom-In-Ohio on 10/8/2016, 8:44 pm

Hello Everyone,

Here is my first post (of all-time) of episode #1 of If Freedom Fails. It stars Gregory Peck and everyone favorite attorney, Raymond Burr. The episode is "A Matter of Fact".


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Hopefully this works, and thank you Greybelt for the series. - Tom

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Post by Space Cadet on 10/8/2016, 8:55 pm

Thank you! This sounds really interesting. I love alternate history stories. And I'm fascinated by this part of our history. And it's completely new to me.

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Post by ghemrats on 10/8/2016, 9:28 pm

Thanks, Tom--these are most welcome, and thanks, Greybelt, for your continued help in preserving great material.
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Post by bojim1 on 10/9/2016, 5:05 am

A very good series

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Post by Tom-In-Ohio on 10/9/2016, 12:31 pm

Here is the next, and 2nd episode of this series. It is called "The Ballplayers" and stars James Whitmore. I always think giant ants when I see his name.

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Post by jb_steele on 10/9/2016, 1:01 pm

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Re: dates... I noticed that the announcer said AFRTS... that would make it it at least 1954.
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Post by greybelt on 10/10/2016, 7:00 am

I wish it was that clean -- the AFRS and AFRTS demarcation was just as good as its editing often was Smile

Got this a few years ago from another researcher -- the citation is the book Brass Button Broadcasters: The Armed Forces Radio and Television Service Story, by Trent Christman, ISBN 1-56311-086-5, pg. 201

1954, April 24: Facing reality squarely, the Armed Forces Radio Service (AFRS) becomes the  Armed Forces Radio and Television Service (AFRTS). AFRTS was first used on radio broadcasts beginning April 1951.

So even though the name was not changed officially until 1954, the name was being used, and used without consistency.

I'm still confused by the microgroove discs. From the little I was able to pick up from seeing snippets of Congressional testimony about budgets, the show was likely used through the 1950s and early 1960s. That may be why we have 12" microgroove disc recordings. The set we have seems to be from one of the re-issues. Perhaps the first release to AFRS stations had the AFRS close, likely on 16" discs, and the later re-issues were updated with the AFRTS close on 12" discs.

This is quite the mystery!
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Post by Tom-In-Ohio on 10/10/2016, 11:08 am

Here is the 3rd entry in the series called "The Pledge", and it stars Jeffrey Silver.

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Post by jb_steele on 10/10/2016, 11:49 am

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Jeff Silver.... the one in the leather jacket he's playing young Clark Kent in the first episode of the TV Superman.
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Post by jb_steele on 10/10/2016, 12:19 pm

greybelt wrote:

This is quite the mystery!
Indeed. Also confusing is why the disk says "failed" and not "fails" Very Happy

I found this while looking around the inter tubes...
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Post by otrwashh on 10/10/2016, 3:03 pm

jb_steele wrote:
Indeed. Also confusing is why the disk says "failed" and not "fails" Very Happy
After listening to all three Promos and all three shows, I believe that the series title is
If Freedom Failed  
and not
If Freedom Fails


I checked my copy of Mackenzie's book on AFRTS programs.  While there is no entry for the series in the book Index, there is a single entry on page 153.
It is for 1953
IE 264-122 If Freedom Failed



Signing off for now,
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Post by greybelt on 10/10/2016, 4:26 pm

I just rechecked with the person who ran the discs (remember good ol' St_Jack?) -- they are 16" microgrooves!

In the short time I ran discs in the mid 70s, I never ran into those, ever, nor had I ever heard of them. 12" microgrooves, yes, but never 16"

Microgroove technology was around for a while but did not get to the market until 1948, and it was still a slow adoption for it. All of the AFRS discs from the 1950s I ever saw were the regular 16" discs that used the same needle one would use for 78s. This was a new one on me.

Will pass more info along as I get it.

JB -- that's the same site I ran into -- we're both at the same exact dead end! And there's not even a Starbucks there...
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Post by greybelt on 10/10/2016, 4:31 pm

This is the special album that held the discs

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and it appears that the disc with all the promos was 12" while the episode discs were all 16"

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Post by jb_steele on 10/11/2016, 12:47 am

greybelt wrote:JB -- that's the same site I ran into -- we're both at the same exact dead end!  And there's not even a Starbucks there...
I was hoping for a Jersey Mikes...
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Post by greybelt on 10/11/2016, 11:12 am

can you take the Subway to Jersey Mikes? Smile

St_Jack checked the entire album folder out and all of the discs -- there are no signs of any dates anywhere

And I thought Google knew everything Smile
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Post by Tom-In-Ohio on 10/11/2016, 11:14 am

Today is episode 4 of the program and it is called "The Heavens Fall". It stars Mark Stevens. In a small note, he was born in my hometown of Cleveland Ohio. Just many, many years before I appeared.

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Post by jb_steele on 10/11/2016, 1:37 pm

greybelt wrote:can you take the Subway to Jersey Mikes? Smile
Yeah, with a transfer at Penn Station.

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Post by rodney4130 on 10/11/2016, 3:35 pm

Looking forward to grabbing these tonight. Thanks for sharing this series!

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Post by Tom-In-Ohio on 10/12/2016, 11:12 am

Danse Macabre is today's episode which stars actor Lloyd Nolan, TV's Martin Kane.

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